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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » mer. 29 juin 2016, 4:22 pm

It may take us years to get out of the Daisy Petal Christian mentality. Indeed, when thinking about God, have we not all at times been thinking as would think a teenage girl or boy in love for the first time? He (or she) loves me. He (or she) loves me not. He (or she) loves me. He (or she) loves me not. He (or she) loves me. He (or she) loves me not. He (or she) loves me. He (or she) loves me not.

This idea is borrowed from Wayne Jacobsen’s book He loves me! (pdf), at LifeStream.org. The book might change the way you understand what the Christian Faith is all about. The author makes a free pdf version available through his Web Site LifeStream.org. Here is the bibliography of the printed version I am currently reading through: Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, He loves Me! Learning to Live in the Father's Affection, Newbury Park (California, USA): windblown media. This is the version I will be quoting from in this discussion.

Can you answer «yes» without hesitation to the question : «Does Go love you?» If not, I invite you to read the book and to share how it helps you take hold of the truth revealed about God in Scriptures that He dearly loves every human being, yourself included.

Please do feel free to answer this opening post by providing your own insights as you read through the book. Thank you for getting involved on this forum. This is truly helpful in building it up, especially in its currently early stages of existence. God bless you!


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Re: Daisy Petal Christianity (Wayne Jacobsen)

Message non lu par DanielGarneau » ven. 01 juil. 2016, 8:20 am

Here is an interesting quote I would like to highlight as I am pondering through the book. In chapter 1, under "Perception versus Reality," Wayne Jacobsen says: "When we're playing the he-loves-me-he-loves-me-not game, the evidence against God can appear overshelming" (2007, p. 8). There is indeed a difference between our perception of God loving us and the reality of the situation that He in fact does love us, no matter what we might think that the circumstances of our lives seem to indicate. This will be illustrated later in the book through the story of the prodigal son, where the father, representing God, is shown to be acting lovingly at all stages of the story. The "prodigal" son needed to understand for himself God's love, but so did the "good" son that stayed home.
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Here is a set of questions asked by Wayne Jacobsen at the end of chapter One of his book (2007, p. 16): "Spend a few moments thinking about your relationship with God. Do you see it growing in closeness and sensitivity, or does it feel abstract? Is he more real than your closest friend, or a distant presence that rarely seems to engage in the real issues of your life? If your relationship with him isn't what you want it to be, ask him to help you grow to know him better and to recognize his presence throughout each day."

As you ponder over these questions, please share aspects of your response that you might wish to be known to our readers.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » sam. 02 juil. 2016, 6:40 am

Chapter 3 of He loves me!, Threatened with Hell, starts with a quote from an unpublished manuscript by David Boan and John Yates : "The Satanic assumption is that men and women cannot love God for his own sake" (2007, p. 17).

Under a section at the end of chapter 3, Wayne Jacobsen, asks us, for the benefit of our personal journeys: "Did you come to God only because you were afraid of the alternative, or were you entreated by his love? Do you view him as a stern judge or a loving Father? If the former, ask God to reveal himself to you as he really is. Over the few weeks, look for ways God will help you let go of your fears. Let his love capture your heart as your sole motivation for walking after Him" (2007, p. 24).

How are you responding to this invitation as you are reading it now? Why not share your discoveries?
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » sam. 02 juil. 2016, 6:57 am

Chaper 4, A Father Like No Other, of He Loves me opens with a quote from Brennan Manning's The Signature of Jesus: "If we take all the goodness, wisdom and compassion of the best mothers and fathers who have ever lived, they would only be a faint shadow of the love and mercy in the heart of the redeeming God" (in Wayne Jacobsen, He loves me!, 2007, p. 25).

As the chapter unfolds, we are presented with this thought: "God [...] [is] not interested in your service or sacrifice. He only wants you to know how much you are loved, hoping that you will choose to love him in return. Understand that, and everything else about your life will fall into place; miss that, and nothing else will make any difference" (Jacobsen, 2007, p. 30).

What is your response to these two quotes, the first from Manning, the second from Jacobsen?
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Re: Daisy Petal Christianity (Wayne Jacobsen)

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In chapter 4, A Father Like No Other, of He Loves me! Wayne Jacobsen shows the distinction between the love the Father has for us and our perception of him loving us or not loving us. How does reading this chapter helps you understand that God truly loves you?
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"What reservations do you have about entrusting yourself completely to God" (Wayne Jacobson, He loves Me!, p. 40)?

Question quoted from chapter 5, «Welcome Home», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember from opening post (OP) that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 04 juil. 2016, 7:55 am

"Self-righteousness can be a far greater deterrent to the relationship God wants with us than our failures and mistakes" (p. 48). Why?

Quote is from chapter 6, «The Tyranny of the Favor Line», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember from opening post (OP) that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 04 juil. 2016, 8:10 am

"Do you begin every day aware of your performance or the lack thereof, or is your awareness focused on God's mercy and his affection for you" (Jacobsen, He Loves Me, 2007, p. 66)? Please share with us what thinking through this question is helping you discover.

Question quoted from chapter 8, «The Businessman and the Beggar», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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"The motives of conformity do not produce intimacy" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 80). Why?

Quote is from chapter 10, «The Most Powerful Force in the Universe», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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"Are most of your actions motivated by your security in God's love for you, or your fear that if you don't do enough God might not be pleased with you" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 83)? Please share how this question is helping you living your Christian life.

Question from chapter 10, «The Most Powerful Force in the Universe», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 04 juil. 2016, 10:34 am

Why not "ask [God] to show you ways your fears motivate you in day-to-day decisions" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 83)?

Quote is from chapter 10, «The Most Powerful Force in the Universe», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 04 juil. 2016, 10:43 am

Why not "read through 1 John 4:-7-21 (ESV) every morning for a few days and meditate on John's Word there"? and "ask him to help you discover how much he loves you and, in doing so, to drive out fears in your life" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 83)?

Quote is from chapter 10, «The Most Powerful Force in the Universe», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 04 juil. 2016, 10:56 am

As you keep on reading and meditating 1 John 4:-7-21 (ESV) over a number of days, why not "ask [God] to help you discover how much he loves you and, in doing so, to drive out the fears in your life" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 83)? Please share what you learn.

Quote is from chapter 10, «The Most Powerful Force in the Universe», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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"At its root, sin is simply grabbing for ourselves what God has not given to us. In this realm, our best intentions can draw us into as much bondage as our most indulgent desires" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 89). What does this statement implies for our lives?

Quoted from chapter 11, «He Loved You Enough to Let You Go», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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DanielGarneau a écrit :"At its root, sin is simply grabbing for ourselves what God has not given to us. In this realm, our best intentions can draw us into as much bondage as our most indulgent desires" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p. 89). What does this statement implies for our lives?

How would the following observations help you answer the question quoted above?
  • As he comments Jesus' response to the temptation by the devil in the desert, which story is told in Luke 4, Wayne Jacebsen says of Jesus: that He "trusted his Father to bring him everything he needed" (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, p, 90):
  • Commenting the first temptation of a human being by Satan ever recorded, found in Genesis 3, and applying it to us today, W. Jacobsen asks "Why didn't [God] intervene?" and provides the following to our consideration: "God sees something redemptive even in letting us fail. He seems less concerned about our mistakes than how we respond to them" (He Loves Me, p. 93).
So, why would even our best intentions sometimes lead us on paths that are wrong and sinful?

All quotes are from chapter 11, «He Loved You Enough to Let You Go», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » mer. 06 juil. 2016, 8:19 am

How does reading chapter 12, Who Needed the Sacrifice, of Wayne Jacobsen's He Loves Me! help you come to grips with shame?

As you do, please ponder the following quote, from Jacobsen (2007, p. 101), : "Can you recognize the effects of shame in your own life? What effort will you extend to make yourself look better to others, to yourself, or even to God? In your relationship with God, do you think more of what you have to do for him or what he has already done for you? Ask him to show you how appeasement distorts your relationship with him, and ask him to free you from it so that you can participate in what he wants to do in you."

So, how does the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross helps you deal with the issue of shame in your own life?

Quote is from chapter 12, «Who Needed the Sacrifice», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » mer. 06 juil. 2016, 9:00 am

Please read chapter 13, «The Hen and Her Chicks», of Wayne Jacobsen's He Lives Me! Are you like the chick that runs under the hen for protection against God's judgement for sin? Can you relate somehow with the apostle Paul who, according to Jacobsen, confesses that his most earnest attempts at obeying the law contributed to driving «his sin ever deeper underground» (p. 107)?

As you attempt answering the above questions, ponder over the following quote from Jacobsen (2007, p. 107-108): «Why did Jesus save Paul? In Paul's words, "I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life" (1 Tim 1:16). I've sat with people convinced they were far too evil for God to want them. I've often referred to this passage, asking them if they had done worse than Paul had done [which includes persecuting and killing Christians], and I haven't ever had people tell me they had. God saved Paul so the most broken, devastated, and sinful person would feel free to come running under his wing. All that persons has to do is come».

Whether you are into rejecting God and calling yourself a non believer of any stripes or whether you are into covering up your sin through religious practices, even those that come right out of the pages of the most authoritative persons you know of, please do understand that God loves you deeply and is willing to accept you into the Kingdom of His Son, if you simply turn to Him.

Quotes are from chapter 13, «The Hen and Her Chicks», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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DanielGarneau a écrit :Please read chapter 13, «The Hen and Her Chicks», of Wayne Jacobsen's He Lives Me! Are you like the chick that runs under the hen for protection against God's judgement for sin? Can you relate somehow with the apostle Paul who, according to Jacobsen, confesses that his most earnest attempts at obeying the law contributed to driving «his sin ever deeper underground» (p. 107)?

As you attempt answering the above questions, ponder over the following quote from Jacobsen (2007, p. 107-108): «Why did Jesus save Paul? In Paul's words, "I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life" (1 Tim 1:16). I've sat with people convinced they were far too evil for God to want them. I've often referred to this passage, asking them if they had done worse than Paul had done [which includes persecuting and killing Christians], and I haven't ever had people tell me they had. God saved Paul so the most broken, devastated, and sinful person would feel free to come running under his wing. All that persons has to do is come».

Whether you are into rejecting God and calling yourself a non believer of any stripes or whether you are into covering up your sin through religious practices, even those that come right out of the pages of the most authoritative persons you know of, please do understand that God loves you deeply and is willing to accept you into the Kingdom of His Son, if you simply turn to Him.

Quotes are from chapter 13, «The Hen and Her Chicks», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
In light of the above, are we sometimes unwittingly driving sin ever deeper underground through our very best religious practices?
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So what is it that did really take place on the cross of Calvary when Jesus died for our sins?

Question inspired from the title of chapter 14, «What Really Happened on the Cross», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » dim. 10 juil. 2016, 4:38 pm

In light of the apostle Johns' saying, that "This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" (1 John 4:10, NIV), how would you respond to the following statements:
  • "God has never run from sinful humanity. He didn't hide from Adam and Eve in the Garden. They hid from him as he sought them out" (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, He Loves Me!, p. 114) ?
  • "He didn't just deal with our sins, but with the very nature of sin itself [...] This underscores the fallacy of any law-based or performance-based approach to God. Jesus became sin for us precisely because we were powerless to deal with it ourselves" (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, He Loves Me!, p. 115)?
  • "No, the cross was not primarily about exacting punishment; it was about prevailing over sin's power. In the Son, God didn't just punish sin, he served up the antidote that Christ was able to endure until sin itself was destroyed. Now, all who embrace him can live in the effects of that antidote, prevailing over sin through a growing relationship with the Creator of all" (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, He Loves Me!, p. 116)?
In sum, who hides from whom? God from the sinners we are? or us from a God who wants to rescue us from sin's destruction?

Quotes are from chapter 14, «What Really Happened on the Cross», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » dim. 10 juil. 2016, 10:04 pm

How would you respond to the following statement and question?
  • "It's not people God seeks to destroy but the sin that destroys his people. In that sense God's wrath is far more curative than punitive. Its primary purpose is not to hurt us, but to heal and to redeem us" (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, p. 119-120).
  • "How does seeing God's wrath as the antidote for sin, rather than its punishment, affect your view of God and the cross? " (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, p. 124)
Quotes are from chapter 15 «The Antidote for Sin», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » dim. 10 juil. 2016, 10:15 pm

How would you respond to the following statement: "When the enemy drove a wedge between Eve and her Creator, he had won the moment. Everything we do as a result of not trusting God and his intentions toward us draws us into the ever-deepening bondage of sin. That's true of indulging our selfish desires as it is of trying to appease him " (Wayne Jacobsen, 2007, p. 125)?

What we do as a result of not trusting God and his intentions toward us draws us into bondage of sin. Do you agree or disagree? Why?

Quote is from chapter 16, «In the Darkest Moment... Trust», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » dim. 10 juil. 2016, 10:30 pm

Do you agree or disagree with the following statement, and why or why not? "The key to living a productive Christian life is not waking up very day trying to be loved by God, but waking up in the awareness that you are already his beloved" (W. Jacobsen, 2007, p. 138).

Quote is from chapter 17, «Trying to Earn Points with Someone Who Is No Longer Keeping Score», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
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Message non lu par DanielGarneau » lun. 11 juil. 2016, 3:59 am

How would you respond to the following statement (Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me!, 2007, p. 146)?
  • "In fact, the New Testament has nothing to say to people who want God's salvation without wanting him. The Scriptures are an unabashed invitation to live as a child of the most incredible Father in the universe. As you do, you will yearn to be like him. You will discover that God's way is better than anything you can imagine, and you'll lay down your agenda to embrace his."
So, are you after the gifts or the giver? Do you want to receive the blessing without wanting to get to know the One who blesses? Are we after the gifts and the blessings without wanting to know the One who gives and blesses? Really? What are we seeking after?

Quote is from chapter 18, «So Sin Isn't Important to God?», of Wayne Jacobsen's, He Loves me!, Second edition, 2007. Remember that the first edition, 2000, of He loves me! (pdf), is offered free of charge by its author at, LifeStream.org.
Daniel Garneau, B Th, B Com, MA.
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